Does CICCT produce good graduates?

[niculaiski]

base on what ive read from the posts of mr. bokerker and mr. nikulaiski, good fight!! hehehehehehe

pero i think a student will NOT COMPLAIN if there no MALFUNCTIONS and IRRESPONSIBLE teachers in the institution!! mr. bokerker is just citing his regrets to those teachers WHO EVEN DON'T KNOW WHAT HE IS TEACHING! lets face the fact that there are many of them here in these institution!! and if u always defending this kind of teachers, then u will also do what mr. bokerker is clamoring!!!

but i am just terrified that mr. bokerker mentioned about "gilibrehan ra mong mga r.e.a.d.s!!" KALUOY SAD INTAWN NAMO OI!! TINGAYG GUSTO KA MAKIGMEETING NI FR. UROBIA bro! hehehehehe

BRO, i like ur dignity but u need more experience in dealing with other people!!

just my 2 cents...! hehehehe

point taken mr jerx d great. i do have my baggage of complaints for certain teachers in our beloved school, but i also am aware that the only person i can ever control is myself and i can never ever control anybody else. i can complain all i want directly or indirectly to the teacher concerned, but in the end, everything still depends on whether this teacher will act on it... to improve or not. and so, rather than waste my time complaining and whining, i'd find it best to channel my energy instead in finding solutions that I CAN CONTROL. to enumerate my possible actions (you know, complaining is useless if you don't provide a course of action to take, it'd be like "suntok sa buwan"):

1) i can possibly write directly to dr. g to air my complaints, at least that way, i'm communicating directly to someone who may be able to make a difference (soliciting student signatures would probably give more weight to the points i am supposed to raise)
2) make a blog site where i can bash and criticize these under-performing mentors in school, really naming names, and at the same time, make other students aware of who are worth their money and who to avoid
3) ask senior students (by senior, i meant those students who have already taken the subject i'm about to take and not necessarily based on their year level) about their experiences with would-be teachers of mine, or simply just get feedback of my would-be teachers from other students who've been under these teachers; this way, i'd know who to avoid and who to pursue
4) understand the fact that teachers also have their limitations and whether we like it or not, it's "trabaho lang, walang personalan" for them, and that i understand that i hold the future in my hands and it's definitely not in the hands of my teachers
5) research, study, get inputs from those who've been there and done that
6) develop a "can do" mindset and attitude because part of the battle is won by the way you condition your mind (if you keep on telling yourself "i can't", you know where that will lead you...)
7) never be afraid to ask questions and commit mistakes because that's the best way to learn; an inquiring mind opens lots of doors, but just be cautious what door to open lest suffer the fate of our feline friend (as in the adage "curiosity killed the cat"); i can probably toss in here another means of learning safely: learn from other people's experiences.

of the seven points i've outlined, i leave it up to you whether you'd adopt all or some of them or completely discard them all in favor of your very own set of plans. however, since i'm not much of a confrontational person (unless i'm provoked), the first and second points in my list isn't really that appealing to me. i'm better off relying on myself if there isn't much i can get from my teacher. however, i can diminish or eliminate the chances of being under a so-so teacher if i'll do my research on who's who in the faculty members. and should i get unlucky enough to be under such a teacher, the best i can do is rely on my own initiative and from my friends' help, or if i really can't dig it, i can probably drop the subject and retake it.

i do side with bokerker coz imagine tagaan ra ka og sayon nga inputs and then you'll be given a project out of nowhere?
oh my gosh, instead giving simple and insignificant inputs, the teacher should give lessons leading to the design and implementation of the project.

this could be avoided if you'd do point #3 above. we are all aware that we can easily get feedback about any teacher just by asking fellow students, and so it's very easy to avoid these teachers who are "happy-go-lucky". i agree that, as mentors, teachers should assist us in the initial and final stages of our projects. but if the teacher himself/herself has no clue where to lead us because s/he doesn't give a sh*t about our future, then we can't expect much assistance from this teacher at all, and that we're left to fend for ourselves. either we rise to the challenge or we bail out. others will just complain and not get anywhere because they don't know how to effectively air their complaints. in the end, we seal our fate by the choices we make. if we choose to complain, whine, and be a bratty kid, all we'd probably get is a piece of candy to shut us up. if we'd take it as a challenge and personally rise to the occasion, there'd be some hope for us.

i know i'd get vehement reactions again for this post, but hey, i'm just sharing my own viewpoints. you're very much welcome to share yours, too! but try not to hit below the belt like one poster mistakenly did. we're not here to maim and kill each other or look down on the more unfortunate of our brethrens. we're here to find solutions to our problems. and in almost all cases, there are almost two sides of an issue. being open-minded enough to agree to this is a good start towards finding a long-lasting solution.

and to the READS folks, don't be bothered by people who look down on you. inggit lang sila because even if you're financially limited, you still did your best to achieve your dream of earning a degree. just don't lose sight of that dream of yours and don't be distracted by hecklers in the sidelines. they're simply envious of your will and determination to succeed. in the end, it's the guys (like you) who are in the frontlines who gain more experience, enough to allow you to survive and succeed once you set foot in the real world.  :wink:

[jerx d great]

nice one mr. niculaiski!! btw, r u still studying right now?

[Miggy]

I believe I have replied to this thread so many times.  I agree with niculaiski to some degree.  People are different or shall we say students are different from each other; upbringing, religion, race, ideals etc...and I think all of us will agree the "learning curve" it is not that I am belittling the capacity and the capibilities of each one of us here but it is a common fact and reality that even how motivated and eager one student is, still there are people who don't understand computer analysis, data structures, computer automata and most especially computer programming all by themselves...

It is now the question of I pay and what do I get...if it is not from the subject-teacher? then why not? why do i have to look for other sources when I have an hour or an hour and a half of discussion?  the question i believe is not "Me", the student, it is more of the, He/She, the TEACHER.  The performing of the so-called duties...if the students are motivated to succeed plus a very good-responsible teacher...everybody happy!

something to think about.

[Choki]

 :-D

[niculaiski]

I believe I have replied to this thread so many times. I agree with niculaiski to some degree. People are different or shall we say students are different from each other; upbringing, religion, race, ideals etc...and I think all of us will agree the "learning curve" it is not that I am belittling the capacity and the capibilities of each one of us here but it is a common fact and reality that even how motivated and eager one student is, still there are people who don't understand computer analysis, data structures, computer automata and most especially computer programming all by themselves...

It is now the question of I pay and what do I get...if it is not from the subject-teacher? then why not? why do i have to look for other sources when I have an hour or an hour and a half of discussion? the question i believe is not "Me", the student, it is more of the, He/She, the TEACHER. The performing of the so-called duties...if the students are motivated to succeed plus a very good-responsible teacher...everybody happy!

something to think about.

point to ponder: which person do you have much better control of? your teacher? or yourself?

do you have to look for other sources? how about a question for your question? :grin: will you continue getting your "supply" from the same source even if you're completely aware that your source provides substandard quality "supply" and just cannot give what it does not have? i'll go look for another supplier if this is the case. :grin:

if a student is so motivated and so eager to learn, there ain't no mountain high enough, no river wide enough, to keep him/her from achieving his/her goal. :grin: as they say, when there's a will, there's a way. from my own experience, i had extreme difficulty with one of my subjects before, and even if i had a very competent teacher, i still had problems absorbing what's being discusssed in class. my solution? i found a fellow classmate who has this knack of discussing the subject matter in a much simpler manner. thru this generous classmate and coupled with more time allotted only for this subject, i managed to pass that subject. motivation and resourcefulness is the key for me, what's yours?

go figure... :grin:

[jerx d great]

but if the student is stupid enough! and there is no one who will motivates him, i think he has no future at all!!!

but how come there are students who acts like that? is there any probs with the skul or with himself alone? hmmmm....

[niculaiski]

hmmm... :roll: all i can say is that if a person is not willing to help himself/herself, there's no amount of motivation from anyone else that could encourage him to do something. as i've always pointed out time and again, the only person one can ever control is oneself.

he has no future at all? well, philosophically speaking, we ALL don't have a future, because the future hasn't arrived yet. :grin: ALL we will ever have is the PRESENT.  :-)

stupidity is something that's outside my scope already. i mean i don't have much info to share regarding this. perhaps some people act stupid when they don't conform to what we consider as common stuff. we usually act "stupid" when we're not familiar with something, or when faced with an unfamiliar situation or event. i do believe that, at one time or another, we have done something stupid. so when someone, according to our own standards and personal experience, seemed to act stupid, that someone might consider what s/he's done to be normal for him/her. Tolerance is the key, and lots of patience for these type of people would go a long, long way. But just do be careful with these types of people. I've read an article that it's these "stupid" people who'd make your blood shoot up and cause heart problems. :roll:

[jerx d great]

he has no future at all? well, philosophically speaking, we ALL don't have a future, because the future hasn't arrived yet. :grin: ALL we will ever have is the PRESENT. :-)

nice one!! i like those words!! 

the future is not convinient if ur present is disgusting!! hehehehe 

[poseidon]

i think naa man pud! ka grabe namn pud kung sa tanan higayon kung polpol ang studyante oist. naa man sad naning kaau!

[niculaiski]

nice one!! i like those words!! 

the future is not convinient if ur present is disgusting!! hehehehe 

the future only becomes disgusting if that's the way you want it to be. you see, it's merely a matter of how you see things. an often given example for this is when one is presented with a glass half full of water: others would see it as half full, while others would see it as half empty. it's merely a matter of one's perspective or viewpoint. we make choices every day, and it's up to us to choose whether to look at the bright side of things... or to seek the gloomy one. :roll: your choice... your life... ;)

[Miggy]

I dont' think you'd ever get my point too bai...

As I have said...i agree with you if you aren't getting enough learning from your teacher..you'd never stop learning...

What I am trying to say here is to produce good CICCT graduates is to uplift the way of some CICCT teachers doing their job.  I am not saying that if they aren't good teachers I will fail too...of course not! 

Let's take one example...One student, not well known, and she decided to join a group of "brainies" for her thesis subject but their teacher adviser bluntly announced in the class, "hmmm, better-off I know that "brainy" classmate of yours is the only one creating your project"...  And yet another bad example... during their "defense" they'd skip asking the "brainies" and only those (unknown) students were thrown into the dungeon.  Trying to unwit them...I was just thinking "would it brought them happiness by doing this?" And the worst case is they let the "brainies" have their defense and those not so "students" will do it separately?  I thought it was supposedly a group effort?

You see these are "bad" examples...and students are failing not because they are not motivated by themselves but it is their own dear subject teacher and teachers of their own college promoting such clear display of discrimination.  Instead of encouraging them to do good and strive hard...they are put into shame.

I know you came from this college too nikulaiski...yeah i know we have to think positive i agree with you... just to put on good words and it might just save and salvage a little bit of hope within those students who experienced such turbulence but all I can say is beyond this positive thinking still there's something that is missing along the way...and that is what I am trying to point out...teachers also should their part.  Doing good is not only in terms of discussing but for God's sake let them be...TEACHERS!

[Choki]

Oist, apil ko ha.....

When I was on my early years, sobra ko ka bugoy. Musulod lang sa klase if mag exam. Honestly speaking, I don't want san jose ways those times. I hate attendance, hair cuts, uniforms whatsoever. Anyway, this is out of the topic so don't ask me why.

Anyway, when I reached 3rd year, I had a teacher in data struct. She's not so strict with attendance. She doesn't care if we'll attend her class or not. I didn't attend her class because data struct from prelim to early midterm topics or discussions were just the same on the topics discussed in our basic C subjects. That's what I thought those times. She gave us many assignments, weekly assignments which is making a program. Of course if I'm not late in submittidndtng it, I can't make it at all.

Then, during finals, I discovered that I can't understand her discussions anymore and I don't have any idea how to program the assignments she gave us. So I tried to catch up. Since then on, my study habits were built. I don't have any computer but my friends were so generous. Sugot raman pud sila akong malmalon ila computer. Dili mupalag ila parents kay lagi educational.

A week after finals were our deadline of all programs. You know what, that week I finished my first program and the rest of the programs that I wasn't able to comply. I guess she still accepted and considered it because I passed her subject.

She inspired me a lot in a way that she is so good in teaching. Ngano kaingon ko ana? because, wala nako naka catch up niya. Paspas iya discussion but still masabtan. Maayo siya mudala ug klase and I only proved it during finals wherein nag cge nako sulod iya klase because dili naman ko kasabot.

That sparked my programming interest.

Next here comes our OS subject. I never met this teacher before. He is so honest. He said that we will be using JAVA as a medium language in our subject. He admitted he is just five chapters ahead of us. He told us what book he read. Wala ko kabalo unsa nasulod sa ako utok but I tried to read five chapters in one night because I wanted to catch up.

I don't have any idea about OOP that time that's why I only read four chapters. He inspired me in a way that he is honest. Kugihan pud mag study and he imparts to the students what is IN sa industry today.

Then he endorsed me to join a team under this teacher whom I never met before. She's so jolly. I asked her what language we will be using. She said we will use Visual C++. I said, "Mam, I don't have any idea bout that." She just smiled and said, you can do it. Well I self studied about Visual C++ pero wala jud koy nasabtan.

Nag overnight me for 3 days as in straight 3 days. I barely talk to this teacher bisan pa sa iyang pagkatabian. Ang ako noong ka teammates sige sila storya, katawa ug uban pa. I just observed her behavior. You know what, grabeh 1 or 2 hours ra siya matulog. Ako pud ala pud tulganay for 2 days. Then piyong rako 2 hours kay gasunod sunod lagi tawn.

THough we weren't able to finish the project coz it's really big and then we ran out of time na pud, I learned a lot baya. I learned how to study. I was able to strenghten my study habits. I learned how to control my self. I learned a lot from this teacher.

I want to thank
           Mrs. Grace Luntian Aguilar, she sparked my love for programming.
           Sir Dionis A. Padilla, he lifted me up and inspired me to never stop studying.
           Ms. Maria Rosa Torres, she inspired me not to limit myself to C, JAVA or Visual C++. I learned from her that , I don't know anything 
                          at all today. I learned from her (though she never actually told me in words)that learning has no limits.

[jerx d great]

those teachers uve mentioned mr. choki are the ones who give knowledge responsibley to the students in these institution!

i know most of them! they are very good and talented professors!! but unfortunately,two of the are not regularly teaching in this school! and the worst , ms. torres, my idol!!, left cebu to continue here career! SAYANG jud to cla!! 

[Choki]

those teachers uve mentioned mr. choki are the ones who give knowledge responsibley to the students in these institution!

i know most of them! they are very good and talented professors!! but unfortunately,two of the are not regularly teaching in this school! and the worst , ms. torres, my idol!!, left cebu to continue here career! SAYANG jud to cla!! 

These teachers are not only my idols but my friends and I owe them what I am today.

[jamez]

 :lol: yeah..dont conclude directly..u havent seen the graduates they have produce... maybe first year pa tingali ka!!!..take it from the graduates jud..they landed on a good job not great job???..that sounds kudos to all the faculty of College of ICCT...Adelante!!! :roll: